295. Coffee & Keynotes With Ryan John

Listener favorite Ryan John returns to the show in Episode 295 to catch up with Andy and Sean about a wide range of subjects, from the recent season of network TV “upfronts” and “For Your Consideration” presentations he worked to presenting at the L-Acoustics 2025 Keynote in his role as the company’s director of product management for software. There’s even a deep dive into espresso machines and the wonders of super light roasted coffee! This episode is sponsored by Allen & Heath and RCF.

Episode Links:
L-Acoustics Keynote 2025 | Roundhouse London
Episode 289, Nat Houle on Spatial Audio
Fellow – Espresso Series 1
Tim Wendelboe Coffee
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Episode 295 - Ryan John

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Voiceover: You’re listening to Signal to Noise, part of the ProSoundWeb podcast network, proudly brought to you this week by the following sponsors:

Allen & Heath, whose new dLive RackUltra FX upgrade levels up your console with 8 next-generation FX racks – putting powerful tools like vocal tuning, harmonizing, and amp simulation right at your fingertips. Learn more at allen-heath.com 

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Music: “Break Free” by Mike Green

[00:00:55] Andy Leviss: Hey, hey. Welcome to another episode of Signal Noise. I'm your host, Andy Leviss, and with me as always, the. Into my John, Mr. Sean Walker. What's up, Sean?

[00:01:03] Sean Walker: What's up buddy? How are you?

[00:01:06] Andy Leviss: That was, how can I make two people crack at once?

[00:01:08] Sean Walker: You did

[00:01:09] Ryan John: confused by that introduction.

[00:01:10] Sean Walker: you, you, did you win, dude?

[00:01:14] Ryan John: I was like, but I'm the Ryan to my John.

[00:01:19] Andy Leviss: So for those who haven't figured it out already, joining us this week is our friend of yours, Mr. Ryan, John, as well as as usual, Sean Walker. What's up,

[00:01:29] Sean Walker: yeah, yeah. Ryan's here. I'm not that important.

[00:01:31] Ryan John: long since I've done a podcast episode of any type that I actually forgot how you do this. I was like, oh yeah, there's an intro. There's like all these other things. It's been like something like two years since we did a live sound bootcamp episode. It's crazy how much time has gone What?

[00:01:43] Sean Walker: Why? Why you get so busy, Ryan? Why you do

[00:01:46] Ryan John: To be honest, I, I've, I've tried to make the time here and there, but I don't like doing episodes on my own.

It has, has to be the group. Yeah, yeah, sure. Or at least to the group because it, it's, it's not the same kind of energy if it's not a conversation between people that all have differing opinions and different thoughts. Totally. If it's just me kind of spewing my brain out, like, first off, I don't get challenged and I need people to keep challenging me, so then I have to explain the why.

'cause in my head I know the why, but like, until you have to explain it, you know, you can, you can skip over bits, you know.

[00:02:16] Andy Leviss: Oh, dude. The, the, the episode I did a little, a little while back on like how I edit the podcast was the hardest episode I've done. It was like a few folks asked for it, and also it was a little bit of wheel in the video card in front of the class as the substitute teacher. But

[00:02:31] Ryan John: Let's hit play on this VHS and we're gonna watch a video about the Ring of Fire.

[00:02:36] Sean Walker: yeah. Right. Totally. Or the overhead projector with the fricking markers that never, it was all squishy. Couldn't see anything,

[00:02:42] Ryan John: no one could ever figure out how to focus those things. Dude.

[00:02:44] Sean Walker: dude. Totally. It was painful to watch. You're like, God, just get on with it already, isn't it? Lunchtime? Is it time for recess yet?

[00:02:51] Ryan John: By the way, that Ring of Fire joke, do you guys, did you guys ever watch videos about that? The volcano thing? Oh yeah.

[00:02:56] Sean Walker: Oh yeah,

[00:02:56] Andy Leviss: yeah,

[00:02:56] Ryan John: Okay. Totally. So it's not just me. Not really. That was not like a Johnny Cash reference. That was like, actually, I remember being in school watching video about the ring of volcanoes and all.

Yeah, totally. I feel like nowadays nobody even remembers that that exists.

[00:03:10] Sean Walker: right. They're like volcanoes. Doesn't that only happen on

[00:03:13] Ryan John: It might not exist anymore. I don't know.

[00:03:16] Andy Leviss: dude. It's gotta be on YouTube.

[00:03:18] Ryan John: All right, so this is an audio podcast, right? Yeah.

[00:03:21] Andy Leviss: Yeah.

[00:03:22] Sean Walker: Nah, dog. Nah.

[00:03:24] Andy Leviss: I mean, I mean, it started with Ryan coming on because, because, uh, Dave from Dark Matter on, on the Discord, he keeps, keeps busting on, uh, busting us and being like, yo, you gotta do an episode on coffee. Like, we all talk about coffee here so much. And I was like, well, if we're doing now, we gotta bring Ryan on.

[00:03:40] Sean Walker: oh man, that

[00:03:41] Andy Leviss: so we will, we're,

[00:03:43] Sean Walker: I didn't wanna spend this week on a fucking espresso make of you guys. Thanks a lot.

[00:03:46] Ryan John: Well, you already know which machine to get. We've talked about this.

[00:03:50] Sean Walker: Dude. I know, I know,

[00:03:51] Andy Leviss: Oh, see, but now, but now, but now there's the new thing that, did you see the new thing from fellow

[00:03:55] Ryan John: see the new thing fellow. Fuck you guys. Um, and the new thing from fellow is $3,000 less than the thing I would've otherwise recommended. So

[00:04:02] Sean Walker: ooh. I love that.

[00:04:03] Ryan John: where going This, we're moving in the right direction.

[00:04:05] Sean Walker: Wait, where am I going? What am

[00:04:06] Andy Leviss: Although there is the, like the common wisdom is you don't order the new thing from fellow until it's at least like six months

[00:04:12] Ryan John: And, and I will admit that I am the moron and every time fellow has put something out, I have bought it brand new and it has kind of fallen apart. Not that long after, but then everyone I know that bought it well after that is super happy with their product. So

[00:04:26] Andy Leviss: yeah.

[00:04:26] Ryan John: I guess I'm the tester.

[00:04:28] Andy Leviss: Yeah. Thanks for that though. Appreciate it. I was gonna say, have you, have you got a, have you got a Aiden?

[00:04:33] Ryan John: No, no, no drip.

[00:04:34] Andy Leviss: The Dripper?

[00:04:35] Ryan John: No. I never actually got that one. But

[00:04:38] Andy Leviss: yeah, if I didn't,

[00:04:39] Ryan John: done and all those other

[00:04:40] Andy Leviss: yeah. Yeah. 'cause I've got the, what's the, the Breville is the other like su kind of super customizable one. And that's what I have, although it's. Because we don't have the kitchen space that's gotten put aside.

'cause the espresso machine is, is the jam the last year.

[00:04:54] Sean Walker: Dude, the one,

[00:04:55] Andy Leviss: but

[00:04:55] Ryan John: appreciate that you prioritized espresso in your kitchen.

[00:04:58] Andy Leviss: I, well, so when, when, when we were going through cutting down caffeine because of a pregnancy, one latte feels like twice the drink that a cup of coffee does, but it's the

[00:05:10] Sean Walker: we were cutting down caffeine.

[00:05:12] Andy Leviss: So,

[00:05:12] Ryan John: Solidarity. You have to do it together, right? Yep.

[00:05:15] Andy Leviss: yep. But, uh, yeah, so that's when I finally like broke out and finished replacing the gasket on the bottom of the, the boiler that had been leaking for like, since 2017.

So it, it had been outta commission and brought that up and, uh, and actually Ryan, Ryan helped me with a great suggestion on how to finish pimping it out and refinishing the outside.

[00:05:34] Ryan John: Yep.

[00:05:34] Andy Leviss: 'cause I had like

[00:05:35] Sean Walker: of Pimp My Ride, but

[00:05:36] Andy Leviss: Yeah. Well, it was, well the thing the steel had been like, so like I had bought it used, so the steel was already scuffed when I got it.

And I had started years ago, like repainting it. And I was doing like either appliance or like auto paint to make it like GLO white on the shell. And like it got humid the day I did, and it was dripping and I was gonna have to Sanz it down. And I like mentioned it to Ryan one day. He is like, yo, just use auto, auto body vinyl.

And I was like, oh,

[00:05:58] Ryan John: And then he wrapped his espresso machine with flames,

[00:06:01] Andy Leviss: pins stripes. But

[00:06:03] Ryan John: racing stripes down the middle. Right?

[00:06:05] Sean Walker: had me in flames. I was like, hell yeah, dog

[00:06:07] Andy Leviss: no, it's like tuxedo.

[00:06:08] Sean Walker: an old like forties or thirties. Fricking hot rod.

[00:06:12] Andy Leviss: yeah, no, it's like, it's like gloss white and there's just like the little, like the thick, thin pinstripe going around the top. It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty classy. I, I, I'm happy with how it came out.

[00:06:21] Sean Walker: Wait, wait, wait. Classy in your house. Come on now. Really?

[00:06:25] Andy Leviss: I mean, I gotta, I gotta balance it out somewhere.

[00:06:28] Sean Walker: All right. All right.

[00:06:29] Ryan John: so I want to ask the question that, that leads to why we were having a conversation about coffee. Yeah. And, and I want to get both of your theories on why you believe audio people, or especially touring audio people end up so into coffee.

[00:06:46] Andy Leviss: It's theism.

[00:06:51] Sean Walker: Uh,

[00:06:52] Andy Leviss: Theism,

[00:06:54] Ryan John: What does that mean?

[00:06:55] Andy Leviss: it's sure. For autism.

[00:06:59] Ryan John: Oh, okay. Okay. Sean, are you in agreeance here? That, that's, that's your belief too?

[00:07:05] Sean Walker: uh, I, I am not in agreeance. I think my belief is 'cause you freaking get no sleep and so you need the caffeine and pretty soon you're like, yo, man, you. Over this fricking motor oil coffee that I get every day. Like, how do we make this not suck so much? And then pretty soon you're like, well, I'm pretty much good obsess about this like I do about audio.

So, uh, what's the good shit? Because I don't know if you know it or not, Ryan, we tend to have obsessive personalities in this

[00:07:29] Ryan John: We absolutely do. We absolutely do.

[00:07:31] Andy Leviss: Like I said.

[00:07:33] Ryan John: I, I have a theory here, though. I have a theory, right? Because coffee is very subjective, right? It is very subjective from a flavor perspective. Sound is very subjective from a, you know, pleasure perspective.

[00:07:47] Sean Walker: we just like to be right. Is that what you're saying?

[00:07:48] Andy Leviss: But there's science behind

[00:07:49] Ryan John: of a lot of science to it. There's a hell of a lot of science behind the sound that allows you to get to that objective thing.

There's a hell of a lot of science and, and kind of art to the science in both of these, right? Because there's the science behind all, all of the stuff related coffee. So it's this thing that you could do by yourself that allows you to kind of merge science and art and all that to have,

[00:08:11] Sean Walker: Wait, are we still talking about coffee?

[00:08:12] Ryan John: yes. Okay. Well, we could also be talking about Formula one, right?

[00:08:16] Andy Leviss: Yeah. Or Or cooking. Yeah.

[00:08:18] Ryan John: Yeah, I mean all these things and there

[00:08:20] Andy Leviss: And there are a lot of audio folks who are into cooking too.

[00:08:23] Ryan John: and you can go all the way down a rabbit hole all the way to autism level rabbit hole, and you can come out with something that is, you know, subjectively enjoyable.

[00:08:33] Sean Walker: All right. All

[00:08:34] Andy Leviss: And you can also be like, Hey, here's my esoteric shipped in every month for me from Norway.

[00:08:40] Ryan John: Hey, we're both on the same thing there because you know, I do the same.

[00:08:44] Andy Leviss: I, I know.

[00:08:45] Sean Walker: I don't, mine comes from the same state I'm in and I'm totally happy with it.

[00:08:49] Ryan John: have I never sent you any of their coffee? I, I swear I did. Maybe I didn't. No, no. All right. I'm gonna send you some of their coffee. All right. Just you can try it one time.

[00:08:57] Sean Walker: All right. Cool, man. I, uh,

[00:09:00] Andy Leviss: so, which is for, for those listening at home, is Tim Wendell, Bo out of Oslo, Norway, who's like the god of like light roast. Like light roast, Nordic style, quote unquote coffee.

[00:09:10] Sean Walker: all right.

[00:09:11] Ryan John: Yeah. So if you're into the light roast, Tim Webo out of Oslo, Norway, and even in the States after shipping, it still comes out to maybe 22 bucks ish per bag. So it's not that much more expensive than something you'll get somewhat local. I mean,

[00:09:26] Sean Walker: I mean, Starbucks is 18, $18 a bag here. I, you know, like 22 for the dude that you're just ripping about a podcast like this guy's great. I'll spend $4, dog. Come

[00:09:37] Ryan John: I mean, that's how I ended up on a subscription. Yeah.

[00:09:39] Andy Leviss: Yep, yep.

[00:09:40] Sean Walker: Totally. Okay. Copy

[00:09:43] Andy Leviss: yeah. And it's wild. 'cause like his stuff is so light that like he warns you like, don't use my drip for espresso. Like I do do an espresso roast, but like his espresso roast is like crazy, like compared to anything else you've ever had still. That's how like his drip, his drip is like so light.

It's almost still green.

[00:10:00] Sean Walker: Oh, snap.

[00:10:02] Andy Leviss: yeah. So it's

[00:10:03] Sean Walker: and that's somehow good. What, what, what's up with the light roast that you guys, that gets y'all hot and bothered? Why? Why so light? Like the light of the better is where you're at. Why? Why? So, why?

[00:10:15] Ryan John: Okay, so for me, my enjoyment from light roast comes from, I like that citrus acidity. Mm-hmm. That you get, and you don't get that with dark roasts. Right? Dark roast is, it's always a little bit more along the lines of like, you know, dark chocolate, which is this touch of bitterness or sourness. Right. But that's part of the flavor profile.

But also there tends to be less of the oil in it. Um, and the oil somehow gives it this kind of fun density. Um, when I have really dark roast coffees, I tend to find that either they taste watery, but kind of intense, but like intense in like a slightly bitter way, or they taste heavy. And I find that with a light roast, I never get either of those two extremes.

Instead, I end up in the middle. Awesome. That's a personal thing. I don't know that that's true for everybody. It just seems to

[00:11:07] Andy Leviss: Yeah. I, I think it's, it's that, and like you get like a lot more of the florals and like the lighter stuff that's easy to, like, once you start getting like a lot more to those. I'm gonna pronounce it terribly. The but the mayard flavor, like, is it Millard? Like, so it's French, huh? I was gonna say you work for the French company, you would know, but, uh, um, but like, yeah, that's where you get like, all those like sugars and the caramel and Yeah, like, like Ryan said, like the dark

[00:11:32] Sean Walker: All right.

[00:11:32] Andy Leviss: that and like that all that will like, overpower a lot of those, like lighter, more delicate.

Like you can end up with coffees that like, is like, not as an espresso, but like as a drip coffee. It'll taste almost like tea, you know, like, um, if you go light roast enough, um, it definitely fucks people up the first time they have it. 'cause they're like, this is not what I thought coffee tasted like.

[00:11:54] Ryan John: Right. Yeah. If, if you're used to, you know, a diner coffee, this is not gonna be that for you, and you're not gonna enjoy it, right? If that's what you're expecting. But I remember the first time someone made me a really, really well put together really light roast, and it literally was like tea. You, you looked through it and you could see kind of a reddish brown tint that you could see clearly through it, right?

It wasn't like so dense and dark that you, you know, it was opaque and when you drank it. You would kind of sip it and, and sip in a little bit of air at the same time. And when you do that, it has this like really bright note to it. And, and, and that's, that's where you get floral notes. I mean, I, I don't know anyone who's ever described a dark roast coffee as floral.

And that's a flavor that I seem to like

[00:12:40] Andy Leviss: Yeah, and like literally like the, like the Tim subscription this month, like the one I have in my hand here is like, the flavor notes are like whiny red fruits and floral. Like, that's like the darkest of the, like the three they had this

[00:12:52] Sean Walker: And when you're,

[00:12:52] Andy Leviss: one was like citrusy in floral.

[00:12:55] Sean Walker: and so for the, you know, for the diner coffee folk out there, or the catering coffee folk out there, when we're talking about light and dark roasts, we're literally talking about the color of the bean in the bag. And the ones that are lighter in color are lighter in roast, and the ones that are Starbucks looking are darker in roast.

And some of those are dry, and some of

[00:13:15] Ryan John: apocalyptic roast, not.

[00:13:19] Andy Leviss: It's not wrong. Not wrong.

[00:13:21] Sean Walker: totes. Dude totes and.

[00:13:25] Ryan John: you can see your reflection in The Bean. Yeah. You can see your reflection in The Bean that is beyond dark roast.

[00:13:33] Sean Walker: Right. Totally. And

[00:13:34] Andy Leviss: Like if the bean looks oily on the outside, like that's

[00:13:37] Sean Walker: I was gonna say, some of 'em have a, a visible oil on the outside and some of 'em do not. And so what we're talking about now is something that does not have that visible oil on the outside, and that is a lighter in color, physically on the bean itself. And that will, that's, that's where we're headed

[00:13:53] Andy Leviss: And like

[00:13:53] Ryan John: Like what you'd assume is like a milk chocolate color somewhere around there.

[00:13:58] Andy Leviss: yeah. And like, you go to like, like one of these like Nordic style roasters and like, you know, like what Starbucks calls, a blonde roast is like dark to like somebody who's roasting really light.

[00:14:07] Ryan John: Yeah, it is.

[00:14:08] Andy Leviss: Um, and it's like the, the other, the other wacky tray is like, 'cause like a darker roasted or like a medium roasted coffee, like after it's roasted.

Like you wanna let it rest a certain period of time. And then it's, it's gonna be at like peak flavor a certain period of time. And like a medium or dark roast, like two or three days rest, maybe four might be all it needs. And you probably get like two weeks of good flavor with a really good light roasted coffee.

You're gonna wanna let it, let it rest like 10 to 14 days before you use it. 'cause otherwise it'll be really grassy. 'cause like it hasn't, like the carbon dioxide hasn't been let out of the beans yet. But then it's good for like a month and a half or like it'll last for fucking ever. It's why like it,

[00:14:44] Ryan John: Have, have you ever noticed that? Um, uh, so the Sean, the, the, the beans you get, do they come in a container that seals like they seal on top? Okay. Have you ever noticed that when you close it and there's no air in it, next time you come to it, it's full of air again?

[00:14:59] Sean Walker: Oh, I actually have not, uh, I'm not that observant, so

[00:15:05] Ryan John: I don't, so, so I, I'm, I'm, I'm a tiny bit OCD in that when I close it, I push out all the air I possibly can and then a tiny bit. Seal

[00:15:12] Sean Walker: A tiny bit.

[00:15:12] Ryan John: Yeah, exactly. Just a little bit. I'm, I'm redoing my studio for the 16th time this week, you know? Yeah.

[00:15:17] Sean Walker: Yeah, you're right. Totally.

[00:15:19] Ryan John: But, uh, yeah, when, so when you come back to it, like the next day, you'll notice that it's full of arrogant.

That's all the carbon dioxide coming out of the bean.

[00:15:28] Sean Walker: Okay.

[00:15:28] Ryan John: I mean, even crema on an espresso that is effectively the carbon dioxide that has come out from the process of making an espresso. So if you've got old beans, they'll have way less crema because the carbon dioxide will have already kind of quote unquote burned off, if you will, from the Bean. It's, it's cool. This is really, really geeky stuff.

[00:15:47] Andy Leviss: Yeah.

[00:15:47] Sean Walker: I love it. I'm in, dude, that's great. I love, I love learning about stuff that's like in your everyday life and then you're like, Hey man, are there a few tweaks to make this like hella better? You know what I mean? And just like dude chatting with you guys for. Like the first, I don't know, week, maybe it was like, oh, here's some major fucking tweaks to make that made the coffee a lot better.

You know what I mean? Like the water. Holy crap. Not using tap water and going, I went to like a spring water kind of deal. You know? That was like, it was so much better, dude. Oh my God. And then just changing the temperature. It was roast yet from like, I think it was roast, it was brewing at like one 90 something.

I was like, oh no, 2 0 1 or whatever. It was like, boom. And I was like, holy shit. That's so much more flavorful.

[00:16:30] Ryan John: It's crazy though, 'cause you have to go so far down a rabbit hole to get to the outcome of, yeah, I should change the water, I should change the, yeah. Like, you know what I mean? You have to go so far down and do so many other stupid things that cost way more money. You know what I mean? You'll, you'll buy a better grinder, you'll buy a better grinder.

You grind finer, you grind finer, you grind finer. Yeah. You buy a better espresso machine. You buy the, you buy, you buy, you buy, you buy. And then eventually you kind of back out and you're like, I mean, okay, we'll put it this way. When I make a quote unquote pour over coffee, I put water into a Chemex, no filter.

I pour the coffee into the Chemex and I pour more water on it, and I let it sit for nine minutes, and then I pour it out really slowly. There is no filter in it at all.

[00:17:16] Andy Leviss: You using it as an immersion

[00:17:18] Ryan John: Immer immersed in water, and I pour it really slowly so that the grounds stay at the bottom. I have gone all the way caveman, like I, I went all the way to the end of the, the, the rainbow, and, and I'm back at the start. This is like comically simple, but the coffee ends up coming out really fucking good.

[00:17:38] Sean Walker: Nice. That's, that's awesome. Now welcome to the club dog.

[00:17:42] Andy Leviss: Yeah. Fucking whatever.

[00:17:44] Ryan John: Hey, I got yelled at once on our podcast for swearing in it, but

[00:17:48] Sean Walker: You know it,

[00:17:48] Andy Leviss: We've, we've got the explicit warning on our podcast on Apple.

[00:17:51] Ryan John: I did too. I did too. And I still got yelled at.

[00:17:54] Sean Walker: They were like, Hey Sean, you want the job? We already put the explicit warning on there for you. 'cause you know, we know you're just gonna say fuck all the time. I was like, yeah, man. Sure, no problem.

[00:18:01] Ryan John: You're like, you're, you're just like,

[00:18:04] Sean Walker: You fuck yeah. I want the job, doc.

[00:18:08] Andy Leviss: Yep.

[00:18:09] Sean Walker: Oh my God. Funny. Okay, so you've gone all the way down the rabbit hole. You fucking learn, you know everything. There is no about coffee and you pulled all the way back out. You're like, all

[00:18:19] Ryan John: came out this side of the world and I'm now just really, really basic.

[00:18:24] Andy Leviss: Yeah, well, like Ryan, Ryan fucked up my espresso making recently. I mean, well, well helped it, but fucked it up. 'cause I was like going down a rabbit hole of trying to dial the wonder bow in and he was like, yo dude. Turbo shot.

[00:18:34] Ryan John: Yeah. I.

[00:18:35] Sean Walker: Whoa. What's a turbo shot? Uh oh. Is that something I, is that something I need to know

[00:18:39] Ryan John: really quickly. Yeah. And if you let the water run through it really quickly, you can get a more consistent extraction, even if it might be less extracted. Yeah.

[00:18:47] Andy Leviss: Yeah. And like if you nerd out and if your machine lets you like even drop the pump pressure a little bit, um,

[00:18:54] Sean Walker: current machine does not allow that. I am in, I've been waiting for the new machine that I was sharing. I was like, I want this new thing, but it keeps pushing its data available, like you're supposed to be available last month, then this month, then next month. I'm like, fuck, shit.

[00:19:05] Andy Leviss: Yeah. At, at, at that point, at that point, pre-order the fellow

[00:19:09] Ryan John: You, you, you know, the best thing about that though is that it makes you question if that's actually the thing you want. 'cause you have to wait for it. So you know what?

[00:19:17] Sean Walker: bro? I don't wait. Well, you know me. I'm impatient like a mug.

[00:19:20] Ryan John: No fair. But, but, but then when you finally go, okay, it's available. You go, do, do I still really want this? Is this actually the one. Then you do it and you go, yeah, all right.

I've properly thought this through because I know I make impulse buys. I'll be like, oh, this thing's on sale I'm gonna buy right now. I've never done that. And then 15 minutes later, I was like, I really didn't need that. And I'm definitely too lazy to return things. You've never done that for sure. You've never done that.

[00:19:43] Andy Leviss: I'm looking at like

[00:19:44] Sean Walker: What's this fellow thing I'm buying?

[00:19:45] Ryan John: right in front of me. I have Guitar Amp on the floor here that I'm like, oh man, I definitely need this. And now it's sitting there and I'm like, I did not need that.

[00:19:52] Sean Walker: I needed the next bogner, the next EVH. What am I? Oh, shit. I don't need two. Okay. What's this fellow thing I'm buying right now? What? What did fellow just

[00:19:58] Andy Leviss: I was gonna say, the piece of artwork on my desk was one of those Also, I can't hold this up. This thing is stupid heavy.

[00:20:05] Ryan John: All right. Uh, what is the name of the fellow espresso machine that they're

[00:20:08] Andy Leviss: Oh fuck. Uh, hold on. I gotta put this, yeah, it's, it's like pre-order now. Hold on.

[00:20:13] Sean Walker: Is that the series one?

[00:20:16] Andy Leviss: That sounds right. I mean, if it's an espresso,

[00:20:18] Sean Walker: the front of their website.

[00:20:19] Andy Leviss: yeah,

[00:20:19] Ryan John: probably it. Yeah. But it's effectively, it's like a decent de one in that you can do profile and you can do all this other stuff, but it is three grand, less than a decent. Um, what I've heard is that the actual physical fellow stores, like this one in San Francisco, this one down here in la, the physical fellow stores have them in the store and they will let you come in and pull your own espresso shots on it.

Nice.

[00:20:41] Andy Leviss: Nice.

[00:20:42] Ryan John: Which is cool. That is like, that is four geeks. There is no, just walk in, you know, do their own thing and just make it.

[00:20:48] Sean Walker: there is no fucking way This espresso maker is a recommendation from either of you fucking fucks. It's only $1,300.

[00:20:54] Ryan John: Yeah. That's a problem, isn't it? Because now I'm like, I spent too much on mine.

[00:20:59] Sean Walker: The problem is ICI don't believe this. I don't believe I've got the right one. 'cause it's

[00:21:02] Andy Leviss: And it's prettier. Yeah. And it's prettier.

[00:21:05] Ryan John: Right. It is pretty too. Yeah. So it's like,

[00:21:09] Sean Walker: it's like super simple looking.

[00:21:11] Ryan John: yeah, if it's good, I'm gonna be upset. Away

[00:21:15] Andy Leviss: there's like some stuff like it's definitely like in the videos I've seen, it's got some capabilities that like are the, if we decide to unlock it in software, we will be able to do this. I also understand why they're not opening that up at first. 'cause that opens the door too easily to like nerds being like, this machine's terrible because they fucked up all the settings.

Not that we ever see that on audio.

[00:21:36] Ryan John: Definitely not. I have never done that in my life. I'm like sitting there tweaking an eq. Fuck. It's still in bypass.

[00:21:46] Sean Walker: Bro. Seriously.

[00:21:47] Ryan John: Yo, it sounds so much better. Wait, shit. I was, oh my God. Twisting the knob on the channel next to it instead. You know, I've definitely done that. In fact, I think I did that today before yesterday.

[00:22:00] Sean Walker: All right. I just, I just put this in the chat. Is this the coffee make? You guys are talking about

[00:22:04] Ryan John: I don't know how to see the chat. I am very technically inept.

[00:22:07] Andy Leviss: Uh,

[00:22:07] Sean Walker: bottom right corner says chat

[00:22:09] Andy Leviss: Nope. That's the one.

[00:22:10] Sean Walker: bro. That's not expensive enough for you guys to be recommending it. That's, that's like 10 grand too cheap. All right.

[00:22:17] Ryan John: Maybe we're becoming adults. Oh, God. Trying to save for retirement.

[00:22:21] Sean Walker: Okay. Reserve now.

[00:22:23] Andy Leviss: Oh, the red and walnut one is sick.

[00:22:26] Sean Walker: is that? What that is? Wait, hold, hold on.

[00:22:29] Andy Leviss: The multi chocolate one's pretty

[00:22:30] Ryan John: We're all pretty. So just so everyone else that's listening can follow along. Go to fellow products.com/product/espresso-series dash.

[00:22:38] Andy Leviss: Just go. Just go to fellow products.com and it's on the homepage.

[00:22:42] Sean Walker: one, dude.

[00:22:42] Ryan John: I'm, I'm just reading the link that you pasted.

[00:22:45] Sean Walker: Yeah. Right.

[00:22:45] Andy Leviss: yeah, I was like, wait, if I remember, if I remember, I'll throw it in the show notes.

[00:22:50] Ryan John: Um, anyway, so, yeah, coffee Rabbit Hole. favorite thing about this is that it's, it's a way to get away from the tour. I remember. So I think I was like 30 when I first had coffee. You know, I, I had tried it before that and I was just like, this is. Terrible. This is awful.

[00:23:08] Sean Walker: Wait, you're older than 30 now.

[00:23:10] Ryan John: Yeah. Just barely.

[00:23:11] Sean Walker: Wow. You wear it well, my friend. You look like you're 29 again this year.

[00:23:16] Ryan John: I'm okay with that. That's a certain point. I just go backwards. Right? I,

[00:23:20] Sean Walker: Yeah,

[00:23:21] Andy Leviss: You should see the picture. He is got of himself up in his attic.

[00:23:26] Sean Walker: Just get your Benjamin button it on.

[00:23:28] Ryan John: um, but uh, yeah, it, it's, I I remember the first time, um, I, I was on this tour. We were in Europe and the other audio person that was on this run was just like, uh, I'm gonna go take a taxi, uh, about six miles away from here to go to the number one rated coffee shop in the area. Do you wanna come? And this is like seven in the morning.

I was, I was awake and we didn't even have load until 10 or something like that. I was like, yeah, I guess I'll go. And I went and I was like, what's the easiest thing for someone who doesn't like coffee to have? And he is like, just have a cappuccino. You'll probably like it. I had it and I was like, this is a good drink.

And then the next day we'd be in another city. And mind you, this is Europe and Europe's coffee culture has been pretty damn good for a long time. Two, went to another city, spent another 20 euros or whatever to take a taxi two somewhere and another 20 euros to take a taxi back. 'cause this is like pre Uber and like all in going to get this cup of coffee and coming back ended up costing like each of us like 30 euros or something.

'cause you'd gotta take the taxi, you gotta buy the coffee, you gotta take the taxi back. But then I'd have another, uh, another cappuccino and I'd be like, this is really good. And then we'd do it in another city and then another city. And at the end of that I was like, hell, I, I, I think I like, um, whoop, that just threw a warning at me.

I was like, I think I like coffee. I'm, I'm not sure why, but I think I like coffee. And um, as I was kind of like figuring this out, I um, basically was like, I'm gonna go to Starbucks and have a coffee because you know what, I like coffee now. I had it and I was like, this is the worst thing I've ever had. And I had no idea that I had gotten spoiled on coffee without even knowing it. Oh man. Because I guess we just kept going to the best rated places in a given city, and I just had no idea that that's what we were doing.

[00:25:15] Sean Walker: That's awesome.

[00:25:17] Ryan John: So yeah, that's, that's my coffee story and I'm sticking to it. So

[00:25:21] Andy Leviss: Yeah, I had, yeah, I remember, like, I was just starting to get into it and there's, I can't remember what it was called. There was a popup for like two or three days in New York that it was like, this was like 2011, 2012. And it was like a bunch of like world champion baristas got together and like they would do these for a while and they did 'em like adjacent to TEDx for, or not to, to like the, the main TAD event.

For a while they would do like a similar popup, but they do this thing in New York and you got a line and went through and they had different stations, like one, they would teach you how to do a pour over, like in a press and they had one station.

[00:25:52] Ryan John: you.

[00:25:53] Andy Leviss: They would, but also they had upfront, like the first station you stopped at was they gave you two cups of black coffee.

One was like a diner grade commodity coffee. And one was like whoever's like, you know, specialty, like, you know, light to medium roasted, like really good fruity shit. And you're tasting and you're like, oh, that's like nasty and black and like wild. And you're like that holy shit. That's like sweet and fruity.

Like, what the fuck? And then they're like, okay, now we're gonna put a little bit of cream in it, put a little bit of sugar stirred up, taste them both. And you go to the first one and you're like, oh yeah, that's diner coffee. Like that's great. I love that. That's, that's my, that's homey. That's safety safe.

And then you taste the other one again and you're like, that tastes almost exactly the same as that one now. Or like nothing. It was enlightening to both see the differences in what the coffees could do, but that like diner coffee has its place and that these really good coffees like adding milk and sugar to it might actually detract from it.

[00:26:45] Ryan John: Yeah, actually, um, a lot of like the Ethiopian light roasts, the ones that say things like citrus rot, uh, notes on. 'em, you know, things that'll say like orange pea

[00:26:55] Andy Leviss: Oh, I've curdled milk.

[00:26:56] Ryan John: when you, when you put milk into them, they actually taste really, really sour. Like really unpleasant. Yeah. Even though there isn't literally citrus in it.

Something about whatever the flavor mix of citrus plus milk, it does that almost curty thing. It's actually really awful. Yeah. Um, so yeah, if you like putting milk in your coffee, don't get stuff that has flavor notes that say anything citrus related tends to be kind of the crap combo.

[00:27:18] Sean Walker: So are you guys not. Doing any kind of milk in your coffee at all? You guys straight.

[00:27:22] Andy Leviss: I'm, when I'm doing espresso, I am like, I am a, I am a like cortado to like flat, white kinda range.

[00:27:30] Sean Walker: What is a flat white. Got 'em

[00:27:38] Andy Leviss: Right. Are you taking this one or am I,

[00:27:39] Ryan John: I, I, I can't remember what the actual ratio is. There's a specific ratio of, you know, steamed milk to, to espresso that makes a flat white. And there's specific ratio of steamed and or foam foamed milk that makes, you know, a cappuccino. Yeah. Or

[00:27:53] Sean Walker: Got it. And a cortado is one to one, right? And a flat white's like one and a half or two to one or something. It's like a little more than that. I

[00:27:59] Andy Leviss: Yeah. It's like about like four to four to five ounces depending on who you has total drink. So Yeah. So if you're at like one and a half of espresso,

[00:28:06] Ryan John: yeah. Which in itself reminds me of a red flag if I go into a coffee place and they have different sizes for a cappuccino. And they are not changing the amount of espresso in it, then that place is not worth going to. 'cause that just means they're adding more milk.

[00:28:23] Sean Walker: And charge me a lot for it.

[00:28:24] Ryan John: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There shouldn't be sizes for most of these drinks. Yeah. In general, if it's a specific ratio as related to the amount of espresso, if it's two to one, it should be whatever it is, 16 grams of espresso and 32 grams of milk. Right? Yeah. So that's what it should be. So that is the size of your drink.

There shouldn't be a size, uh, option.

[00:28:46] Sean Walker: And so all these basically fit in a small, like 12 ounce cup there. There shouldn't be like 16, 24, 30 2000

[00:28:51] Ryan John: Just all milk there. There should be no big gulp.

[00:28:54] Andy Leviss: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:59] Ryan John: I should, I should definitely open a coffee shop called Big Gulp Latte.

[00:29:02] Sean Walker: Oh my God. Do it. Do it.

[00:29:05] Ryan John: And every, everything comes in eight ounce cups.

[00:29:08] Andy Leviss: That's my, my, my first wife at one point, like when I got deep into coffee, told me I was never allowed to open a coffee shop, that that would be grounds for divorce. And I was like, babe, that would be an awesome name for a coffee shop.

[00:29:19] Sean Walker: grounds for divorce.

[00:29:20] Andy Leviss: The tip jar would be labeled alimony contributions. Yeah,

[00:29:24] Ryan John: That is actually a really, that's a good name.

[00:29:27] Andy Leviss: yeah,

[00:29:29] Sean Walker: That's funny.

[00:29:30] Andy Leviss: yeah. But never, no. I know too many people in the business like, Ryan, am I crazy or did you at one point like have a stake in a coffee shop?

[00:29:36] Sean Walker: He did.

[00:29:37] Ryan John: Uh, I did, I did. Um, and then also last year, um, I started doing custom roasts with somebody. All right. Um, and we ended up making a bunch of custom roasts for a few companies and we rebranded them with those companies names. So now there's just a constant flow of this roaster, making those companies, uh, coffee for their offices.

Nice. Uh, and I get a nice little cut from it. Nice. Just from hell. Yeah. Making that happen. And then a after that I was like, cool, I don't think I really wanna do this roastery thing. It's a lot of work, a lot of effort, but since this is kind of ongoing and keeps going, it just kind of sorts itself out. So yeah.

Nice. Just let that keep happening.

[00:30:17] Sean Walker: Yeah, you just get a little freaking little mailbox check.

[00:30:19] Ryan John: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Perfect. Uh, ages ago I did that with a, uh, wine maker. Um, do you know, um, you, you know, in San Francisco between San Francisco and Oakland, there's this teeny little island called Treasure Island. Right. And the Bay Bridge drives through it. Okay. Um, weirdly there's wine producers on Treasure Island.

Treasure Island is not very big, so it's weird that there's that there. And it is also in the middle of the bay, which is generally really cold and there's just cars driving through the island all the time. Yet there happened to be a couple wine producers there, and I just happened to run into one of the dudes and I was like, oh, this is interesting.

There's a winery here. And I went in, chatted with the guy for a couple hours. We just geeked out. And I was like, Hey, I know a dude who's putting on an event later this year for his company's Christmas party. They'd be stoked to have wine that had their company name on it. Can you do custom labels? And he is like, yeah, whatever you want.

I was like, cool. I'm gonna call you back in like, I don't know, two days and I might need, you know, 15 cases and, you know, made, made the deal. And, uh, got that company custom Wine and they just kept ordering annually. So every year for their Christmas party. Nice. They'd gift all the employees a bottle of wine with the company name on it.

And at the Christmas party, they'd serve only that wine. So it went to like, I think like 20 cases of order every year. And I was just getting a tiny little cut on it. I was like, this is

[00:31:39] Sean Walker: That's killer. That's killer. It's a deal maker. Ryan, John, dude. Hell yeah.

[00:31:46] Andy Leviss: wheeling and dealing whining at dining.

[00:31:49] Sean Walker: It's better than side piece, John.

[00:31:52] Ryan John: Oh yeah. Like, way better than that.

[00:31:54] Sean Walker: Yeah. Way better.

[00:31:56] Andy Leviss: I mean, look, not that I'm gonna judge.

[00:31:58] Ryan John: Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, so I'm, I'm, I'm gonna switch topics for you guys.

[00:32:03] Andy Leviss: Yeah,

[00:32:04] Ryan John: Um, what's the most interesting audio thing you've worked on in the past 30 days? Andy?

[00:32:12] Andy Leviss: I'm, I'm flipping through NDAs in my head.

[00:32:15] Ryan John: Well, you can talk about something without saying what it was

[00:32:19] Andy Leviss: Um, I mean like, I feel like it's the cop out answers. Like it's, it's, it's been upfront season in New York, so like, those are always a little hectic and crazy. I was, I was, I, I guess na

[00:32:30] Ryan John: Yeah.

[00:32:30] Andy Leviss: Yeah.

[00:32:31] Ryan John: What, what does that mean?

[00:32:32] Andy Leviss: Okay. Um, this is, we've, we've talked about it in the past, but refreshing folks and refresh. It's, it's, it, it's a New York thing.

It is every, like the last week or so that just passed in May. Uh, it is when all the TV networks and now all of the streaming services bring all the ad buyers into town and they all do their big song and dance of this is what we've got coming up. This is what viewers watched last year. This is our new season.

Here's some of our stars. Here's the musical act. Here's why you should buy ads

[00:33:00] Ryan John: So, so what's funny about that is that that happens here too. Yeah, that's what I was doing last week. Yeah. Right. So last week Apple's been here for a month, uh, this coming week it's Netflix is here for, for the month or whatever. Oh

[00:33:11] Andy Leviss: I, I, I, I just did the Netflix one.

[00:33:13] Ryan John: yeah. So, but, but here it's called for your consideration. So they're all f ycs, that's what the term is here for them.

[00:33:20] Andy Leviss: Is that, but that's still selling to ads. That's not for, like, that's not selling for like awards.

[00:33:24] Ryan John: Yeah. Yeah. It, I mean, it's a bit of both, but mostly for ads. Gotcha. Um, copy. So that's interesting. It's different term for almost the same thing. Yeah. Huh.

[00:33:32] Andy Leviss: Yeah. Huh.

[00:33:33] Ryan John: But yeah, I've never done one of those before until this past week, so I don't do corporate stuff that often. Yeah. It's quite fun to go in and do this, man,

[00:33:40] Sean Walker: Man. You know the cool thing about corporate Ryan, you can double your day rate dog just by doing corporate work.

[00:33:47] Andy Leviss: No, Ryan

[00:33:48] Ryan John: double my day rate.

[00:33:48] Andy Leviss: already, yeah, Ryan's already there. We can double our dare.

[00:33:53] Ryan John: I, I am very fortunate that I work on things in general that are so complicated that people are basically willing to pay me corporate day rate to do touring, type gig.

[00:34:02] Sean Walker: Nice. You know what, man? Fuck yeah. Good for you.

[00:34:07] Ryan John: Thanks, man. Thanks. Um,

[00:34:08] Andy Leviss: Um,

[00:34:09] Sean Walker: Yo, man, I got this thing. It's got five inputs. It's not that complicated, but I got your money, dog. I'll see you. What? Next week?

[00:34:17] Ryan John: yeah.

[00:34:19] Sean Walker: Totally. Oh my God. Dude, I had squirrel. I had

[00:34:26] Andy Leviss: now he is actually looking at it like a squirrel.

[00:34:28] Ryan John: Y. Yeah. What just happened? Oh, hi.

[00:34:32] Sean Walker: my daughter came in.

[00:34:34] Andy Leviss: Yeah. I was like, no, that was the, that was the look of a kid.

[00:34:37] Ryan John: Not named Squirrel.

[00:34:40] Andy Leviss: No. Um, but yeah, so I did the Netflix up front. I was doing RF coordination for it, but, um, uh, uh, Dave Crawford was mixing it. And, um, my old, old friend Will Pickens was his like, design associate. And they did, um, uh, they were in, sorry, Ryan, they were in, uh, soundscape. 'cause that's what the venue has.

[00:34:58] Ryan John: Gross.

[00:35:00] Andy Leviss: Um, it's a DDB venue.

But, uh, they were doing like, and they were like basically rendering out, like. Full, you know, like Atmos equivalent in that to do playback. So apparently it was the first upfront, uh, to do like a full like nine dot, you know, whatever, you know, atmos, uh, playback allegedly.

[00:35:17] Ryan John: So that's cool. That's cool. Yeah. What, what does that kind of thing look like for you normally? Like how, how early in advance are you, are you called to do that job? Like what is the, the pre-work, what does like a day look like? I.

[00:35:32] Andy Leviss: it can vary a lot. Like this is my fourth year in recent history doing upfronts and I've bounced through like three outta the four. I've done RF four. Um, two of those was like an RF and a two combined position, which was insane on the scale of, uh, upfronts and should never, ever happen. Um, 'cause even when they say it's gonna be a small upfront, it never ends up being small

[00:35:53] Sean Walker: And are those, for those of us that aren't hip to those are those like a corporate show usually with some kind of a major artist on it too.

[00:36:01] Andy Leviss: Typically, there'll be some sort of, it'll, it, it can vary very much. Like I did, like I did, um, I can't remember who Telemundo's Artist was last year. Um, I did Univision the year before and it was, uh, Luis Fonzi was the

[00:36:15] Ryan John: the guy who yells gold,

[00:36:20] Andy Leviss: I think he, he's the VO guy. Uh, um, but yeah, they'll often do a rock. Yeah. Like Netflix did not have like a rock act on theirs. They did like, there was like a string quartet that played for like, played for a bunch of stuff. And then they just had like a bunch of their celebrities, like, and they always have a bunch of the talent from their shows come out.

Like,

[00:36:39] Ryan John: Like talent will come out and speak about the shows that they were on or speak about. Yeah.

[00:36:43] Andy Leviss: yeah. So like there was like, yeah, like three of the kids from Stranger Things were there and like, um. They had one, like, they set up like a full, like a set of couches, like a talk show, like podcast Vibe and Kristen Bell and like the rest of the cast from, nobody Wants This came out and did a whole, you know, spiel there.

Um, and then the executives come out and like, you know, like the programming person will come out and talk about what's going on and what shows, and like, we've had this many viewers for that show and this is what we're looking forward to in the next season. And they'll bring out the marketing folks and usually, like, particularly with the streaming of services, now, they've got all their like, you know, advertiser tools that they do and they'll help you develop ads to look good on their platform.

So they're pitching that to folks?

[00:37:22] Sean Walker: that's pretty cool, dude.

[00:37:23] Ryan John: That is quite cool. Yeah. This, this thing I was doing this past week, uh, one of the panel discussions that they did was the sound designers for like five different shows. Oh,

[00:37:32] Andy Leviss: Oh, nice.

[00:37:33] Ryan John: on and spoke about how they built the soundscape for a particular scene or a particular mood, and they'd play that scene.

Oh, wow. And then they talk about the challenges of what they were trying to do. Then, you know, if, if they were talking about something specific, they might play that bit again, and now your ears attuned to something different. Wow. 'cause you just were told what to listen to. Yeah.

[00:37:52] Andy Leviss: Yeah, that's a little out of the, that's a little out of the scope of what'll happen at a typical like New York up front, so that's pretty cool.

[00:37:57] Ryan John: Yeah. I, I, I think, I think that discussion was actually for, um, content creator groups. Gotcha. Were, were kind of the audience for that. So they were Gotcha. Talking about how they created some of this content. Another one was, um, a bunch of people who did title design for a bunch of the television shows.

Yeah. Well, television, but, you know, uh, apple shows. And they were talking about how they made the intro sequence and they'd talk about what tools they used. They talk about what the intent was, what the goal was, and then they'd play it. And it's, it is cool to hear the behind the scenes on the creative side.

About that. And it's kind of a creative side that like we can relate to a lot more than like acting. Yeah. So when an actor goes up there and talks about, oh, this is how I got into character, like, that's cool, but I can't connect with that in the same way. Yeah. Versus someone explaining about how they used like extremely low frequency and extremely high frequency to create tension and, you know, stuff like that.

It's, it's, that's cool.

[00:38:49] Andy Leviss: yeah,

[00:38:50] Sean Walker: cool, dude. That's super cool.

[00:38:52] Ryan John: Well, and like, I feel like it's pretty rare that someone gets to do a corporate gig where the content is actually awesome. Usually it's like talking about the spreadsheets of last year's ROI

[00:39:01] Andy Leviss: yeah. Yeah. It's like always upfront are always fun. 'cause it's always like, oh shit, I watched that show. I forgot that was on this network. Or like, even Univision, it's, you know, it's like, I don't watch Univision, but it's like, oh, it's all the sports stars, like all the soccer stars and stuff like that.

Um,

[00:39:13] Ryan John: and the guy that yells goal.

[00:39:15] Andy Leviss: yeah. And that guy. Yep.

[00:39:17] Sean Walker: We gotta get, we gotta get Ryan on the, on the one that does Formula One so that he can come like, hang out with all the drivers and shit.

[00:39:23] Ryan John: Yeah. Yep. Uh.

[00:39:24] Andy Leviss: Um,

[00:39:25] Sean Walker: do it for free. I'm gonna say it right now. He'll do

[00:39:26] Ryan John: I, I would do it free. I've actually told vendors, you know, 'cause you know at every Formula One race there's stages where they have like music performances. Yeah, totally. On the Friday night. The Saturday night. Yeah. So I've, I've been to Formula One with an artist that was performing and it ruins you 'cause you have such good access.

Like we had pit passes, I was walking around touching cars, like, shit you're not supposed to.

[00:39:46] Sean Walker: A hundred percent.

[00:39:47] Ryan John: Um, it was incredible. Right? But since then, I've then just gone and bought tickets to F1 and it is so disappointing compared to the experience of being like, kind of the artist privilege. Yeah. So I've told a bunch of vendors, I was like, Hey, you know, you guys are doing the stage for this.

Yeah, I'll come work for free. I'll do it just so I can have access. Just so I can come

[00:40:05] Sean Walker: Dude. Totally.

[00:40:06] Andy Leviss: we're in the middle of scheduling emails with Gabe, who does, who heads up all the Formula one stuff for Claire. So we're gonna bring you on a co-host while we do

[00:40:12] Sean Walker: Yeah,

[00:40:13] Ryan John: The whole time. I'll be like, so you need some staff? Yeah. So you need some staff.

[00:40:17] Sean Walker: Yo man. I'll work for those clear rates to go to Formula One.

[00:40:20] Andy Leviss: uh, but yeah, but before we got off on three tangents answering the question, you were No, well, answering the question you were asking about how like, early in advance, like.

Do we get involved? So like

[00:40:30] Ryan John: Trust you. Remember the question after.

[00:40:32] Andy Leviss: I am too. I am too with this A DHD especially this late in night. But, um,

[00:40:37] Sean Walker: don't remember that.

[00:40:38] Andy Leviss: but, um, yeah, it, it varies depending on the position. 'cause like rf like I'll get an idea of what's going on. I mean, like booking wise, you'll get booked up months in advance just 'cause anybody who's even half decent in New York or in the corporate world at all who can travel to New York is booked up.

This year was weird. For whatever reason, a lot of them were like not committing to a provider long enough that like, I called a couple of the folks I normally do them for and was like, Hey, I got this other offer but I wanted to give you for stib. And they were like, if you've got something in hand, take it.

'cause we're not sure what we have yet.

[00:41:07] Sean Walker: Oh wow.

[00:41:07] Andy Leviss: was a little weird this year, but, um, yeah, but like RF wise like that, like you, I'm not necessarily gonna be in too far in advance. Like, I'll sometimes be in meetings and like, you know, know what channels we're getting and do a little pre-planning, but like, you're always gonna, like for rf, you're always gonna want to go on site and like measure and like.

You know, redo stuff. And as we're getting to, you know, we're past the days of like, you know, needing to make sure I have five of this band and five of that band. Like, it's all like, whether it's accident, shore, sound devices, whatever one unit can do everything makes life a lot easier to spec out.

[00:41:37] Sean Walker: Totally dude.

[00:41:37] Andy Leviss: Um, but then, you know, like last year for Teleo?

[00:41:40] Ryan John: I'm so glad technology has gone that way because that was such a pain in the butt to deal with, like shipping around different bands.

[00:41:46] Andy Leviss: Oh dude, my f my, my fir my first upfront was fucking miserable 'cause I'd been told I have like five, you know, so many of each band. And so I started planning and doing a scan while I was waiting for trucks to get into the Javits. 'cause it was the Javits, so it takes forever and like building a whole coordination for like, you know, 40, 50 channels of RF based on what I was told was coming off the truck and it comes off the truck.

And it was not that combination. And I spent like three hours just like beating my head against it and like reconfiguring everything and then being like, okay, how many of these channels do you really need? How many are like spares on top of spares? 'cause like, we're in the middle of Manhattan and you didn't send me the right band.

So like, I gotta start, like, cut on a couple things and we made it work, but like there were some compromises.

[00:42:30] Ryan John: I can

[00:42:30] Andy Leviss: then like, yeah, but then like, um, Telemundo last year I ended up seing and like doing the, doing the PA design. Um, uh, uh, those in the corporate world, uh, might know John Williams is, um, not the composer.

Um, John O. Williams is like a, a longtime, like corporate, a one that like lots of folks

[00:42:47] Ryan John: Did you see my face? Get excited for a second and then get very disappointed. Yep.

[00:42:52] Andy Leviss: John gets that a lot. Um, but yeah, he was day one and like he was like, he'd um, it was funny. That was actually a really standup thing on the, on the part of a provider, a provider that I've regularly freelance for and was gonna do that gig for.

Ended up not doing it because they were like, oh, we can do this mostly with house gear. And then the vendor that's doing the video can also sub rental a little bit of audio we need so it's not worth bringing another in. And they basically went to production and were like, here's Adam and Andy. Adam was gonna do RF and com for us and he's done this show for us for five years.

Andy is the guy we send to that venue as the systems guy every time. 'cause he knows everybody and everything in that venue. And he is awesome. If you don't have people for those positions yet, here's their info.

[00:43:34] Sean Walker: That is sweet, dude. That's awesome.

[00:43:36] Ryan John: So in, in the middle of that story, you made a bit of an offhand comment. You said that this year was a bit weird in that they were kind of saying, you know, uh, if you have something else, take it. Yeah. Um, I've heard that from a lot of people this year. Yeah. I, I want that to be said out loud so nobody feels like they're off in the wilderness by themselves, that like the calls aren't coming for them.

Because this seems to be happening to a lot of people this year, and I don't know if you have any feelings, opinions, or thoughts about why that is this year different Yeah. Than previous years.

[00:44:11] Sean Walker: Not that we can share in public on the podcast.

[00:44:14] Andy Leviss: I was gonna say, my, my immediate assumption is, is economical, uh, is, is the, is the delicate way to put it, that I think folks are trying to like, figure out what money they can whittle away and who they can bid it to for the, for lessons to get what they need. And I think people are just like uncertain

[00:44:30] Sean Walker: I'll, I will chime in and say that I am having exactly the opposite experience. We have, we have raised our prices. We almost doubled our labor rates this year. And, uh, we have as much work as we can do.

[00:44:44] Ryan John: So basically anyone looking for a good, just, uh, call up Sean. He needs you.

[00:44:48] Sean Walker: Right. Totally. I mean, that's why I called you, bro. I was like, Hey man, what are you doing? What are you doing in August?

[00:44:54] Ryan John: Fair enough. Fair enough. Uh, yeah, I have that in my calendar. It's gonna be fun. It's super fun. You don't even need to pay me, man. I'll just come up and hang out. We'll have a good time.

[00:45:01] Sean Walker: Shit. I'll even pay you.

[00:45:03] Ryan John: Wow.

[00:45:03] Andy Leviss: Wait, wait. I didn't get a call for.

[00:45:07] Ryan John: No, you know, there, there's certainly something interesting too, like post, post Taylor Swift, a lot of managements and, and larger scale booking companies have made an assumption that their artists can do the same thing. And you've seen that in bookings. You've seen artists booking three nights at a stadium or something like that, that have maybe only ever sold out one stadium show.

You'll see some bookings that look like they don't make that much sense. But I think there's been this little bit of like, post Taylor Swift, wait, we can do that too. Yeah. Type thing happening. Um, and you're, you're seeing them cancel. You're seeing them kind of shift their, their position. Yeah.

[00:45:47] Andy Leviss: Yeah. And I'm also seeing, like, I'm seeing, like, I'm not gonna name the artists, but I'm seeing a, a tour that I crossed pass with recently that is like, they know they're doing a North American tour, but they keep pushing off when it's gonna be because another artist that's too similar to them keeps extending their tour and they don't want to, they don't wanna end up competing.

[00:46:05] Ryan John: And, and that's a fair thing. I mean, they do that with movies too, right? You, you don't wanna release two volcano movies in the same, the same time,

[00:46:14] Sean Walker: Totally. But the thing about

[00:46:16] Ryan John: they definitely did Dante's Peak and Volcano, and they were both awesome and terrible at the same time.

[00:46:21] Sean Walker: totally. The, the

[00:46:23] Ryan John: was the other one, like Hard Rain and, and, and Twister or something like that, like two other movies that were like equally weirdly similar.

Uh uh, all right. Anyways, I'm I, I digress. Go ahead. There's

[00:46:33] Andy Leviss: I say there's a Broadway example too, but that's like super nerdy and people are gonna be like, fuck, are you talking about? So I'm not gonna,

[00:46:38] Sean Walker: Fucking movies. That's what we're talking about, dog.

[00:46:40] Andy Leviss: but for my theater folks at home, the year, the wild parties, you know what I'm talking about? There's basically, there there was an old Yeah, no, there, there, there, there, there was an old, like an epic poem by, um, I, I forget the poet's name, called The Wild Party about like a prohibition level, like bathtub gin party.

And it happened to go into public domain at such a time that two composers wrote musicals about it. One of 'em got produced at the Public Theater off Broadway. One of them hit Broadway with like major stars and like Tony Collette, Adina Menzel, Mandy Patinkin in the same season. Like literally there were two wild parties, like the same plot, the same characters, everything.

Totally different musicals, confused the shit out of everybody.

[00:47:21] Ryan John: I can imagine. Yeah. Sean, I feel like you were gonna say something and we kept cutting you off over and over and over,

[00:47:26] Sean Walker: Oh man. That's all right,

[00:47:27] Ryan John: you know? So should I do it again?

[00:47:29] Sean Walker: hell yes. Of course you should. It wouldn't be funny if you didn't do it again. No, I was gonna say is you're talking about the T Swift tours and people going, oh, we can do that too. What we, what we didn't realize initially that we should probably take note of is that Tour had the gravity of a fucking Beatles tour or more behind it.

It was a, it was not a, oh man, this is a successful tour. It was a fucking movement. I don't even, I don't even listen to ts Swift, I don't know one song, but watching that go down was a fucking movement. You know what I mean? So thinking that like, oh, well, I'm a big artist too, and I can go do that. I, I don't know.

I think that might be a little optimistic, you know, like,

[00:48:09] Ryan John: but you gotta have some hope. Yeah.

[00:48:13] Sean Walker: I'm not gonna hope with a hundred million dollars, bro.

[00:48:15] Ryan John: No. Fair enough. Fair enough. It, it was pretty cool. There's a bunch of analyses you can wa uh, like read or, or watch videos on online about the economies of the cities when the Swift tour came through and how the tour affected the economy of the city. And it is notable. It's, it's really, really interesting to just read about it because

[00:48:35] Sean Walker: It was tens of millions of dollars per city. Dude, I think Seattle was like a $90 million boost or something. It

[00:48:40] Ryan John: Yeah. Insane. Some of them are into the hundreds of million.

[00:48:43] Sean Walker: Dude, that's crazy. Which is awesome. I mean, good for them, right? Good for, good for Taylor. Good for like, that's fricking awesome

[00:48:50] Ryan John: Yeah. Yeah. Pretty big, pretty big stuff, dude.

[00:48:53] Sean Walker: dude. Totally. And that's not to say that's the only big tour. Just that like that one particular thing was just, it had a gravitational pull to it that most things won't, you know.

[00:49:02] Ryan John: Right? So, so speaking of brilliant shows, um, you know, I've done Coachella a million times. I, I did Coachella this past year. I have to unquestionably shout out that that Lady Gaga show is one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life, and I'm not even a fan.

[00:49:19] Sean Walker: Dude. Dope.

[00:49:19] Ryan John: I don't know, did you, did you see the broadcast for this?

Nope.

[00:49:22] Sean Walker: Nope.

[00:49:23] Ryan John: Okay, so unquestionably they treated the broadcast like it was a epic music video, right? Kind of like a thriller, if you will, right? Fun. It's, it is a story like the, the show is a story. They tell a story through the entire thing. There is an act one and act two and act three, et cetera, and it takes you on a journey.

Watching the broadcast is a bit like watching Thriller in that, like you are watching an epic music video watching it live. You are watching them film an epic music video in real time while it is on the big screen. Hell yes, and that is an incredible thing to watch. So someone has posted the entire Rio show on, on YouTube, go watch it.

Even if you don't like her music, which I'm not the biggest fan it, but I absolutely love that show. But the whole show is online. And it is worth seeing. Uh, and also Paul Ramey, the mix was fucking brilliant. It sounded incredible.

[00:50:15] Andy Leviss: Nice.

[00:50:16] Sean Walker: Awesome. How fun. And that was, that whole show is an all, basically, almost all el acoustics show, right? Except for one Meyer stage or something. The rest, it's all acoustics,

[00:50:26] Ryan John: Yeah. Yeah. Coachella is, uh, that said, you know, the, the Rio Show that's, uh, that was a d and b show. Uh, and that just reset the world record for largest concert ever. So the world record was Madonna 1.6 million people on Co. Yeah.

[00:50:40] Sean Walker: Yeah, dude. Burton slayed that

[00:50:42] Andy Leviss: before?

[00:50:42] Ryan John: And now the record is Lady Gaga, Copa Cabana Beach, 2.5 million.

[00:50:48] Sean Walker: Holy shit. That's a lot of people,

[00:50:51] Ryan John: Yeah. I mean, it was a free show.

Lady Gaga hadn't been to la uh, to, to Brazil in I guess 10 plus years. It was ridiculous. But yeah, watch that on YouTube. It is, it's brilliant to watch. Um, yeah, that's it.

[00:51:05] Sean Walker: Okay, so tell, tell me. Gimme the whisper in my ear buddy. Tell me what you're working on over at Acoustics there, because I don't know if you guys all know this, but not only is Ryan a coffee nerd, but he's also a nerd for El acoustics and they got, they just talked some cool shit in London last week.

[00:51:21] Ryan John: We did just talk about some cool shit in London. It, it's also crazy to me to, uh, speak on the keynote for a company. I mean, first off, it's, it's weird for a, an audio company to have a keynote, right? Apple kind of pioneered that, making it a big thing. And then all these other companies like Adobe and such, you know, came along doing the same thing.

But El acoustics doing it is kind of a, a big deal in the audio industry. Right. Um, it's crazy to me to be invited to speak on that and be kind of one of the faces of the company. Like it's a really proud moment. It's really cool to be able to do that good

[00:51:53] Sean Walker: yeah, dude.

[00:51:54] Ryan John: and truly stand behind the cool stuff we've done.

So, you know, announce the keynote. Uh. A bunch of interesting stuff. You know, A 16 channel amp that is one RU think can drive, I think it was 48 4 or X four i, something like that off of one ru.

[00:52:13] Sean Walker: Crazy.

[00:52:13] Ryan John: Um, cool. But on the, the software World of things, uh, sound Vision had a bunch of updates, probes are now in it.

Um, bays is now fully taken into account. So it is, there's this whole new level of accuracy that Sound Vision has. Um, I'm ridiculous. I always kind of put like 30 probes in places. I put probes at front of house. I walk the room virtually by just taking a probe and just moving it around, which makes my computer really unhappy.

'cause it does not like processing this in real time. But it, but you know, it is kind of fun. Um, so that, that's, that's cool. Updates the sharing platform, sound Vision Connect. It's. Online viewer for sound vision mappings. So you can just, instead of taking screenshots of stuff, you just send someone a link and they can move around a 3D space and look at all the mappings, look at different system configs in the same room and compare them.

Nice. That's dope. That's pretty cool. 'cause it's, it's always, I'll be honest, uh, I'm not supposed to say bad things right? But it's always kind of sucked to try and a B two systems in something like Sound Vision and compare.

[00:53:17] Sean Walker: In anything. It's not just sound vision, dude, in, in any platform. That's, that's,

[00:53:21] Ryan John: it's not, it's not, it's not that easy. Um, so it's cool to be able to export multiple sets of mappings and then on, on any device, be it your iPhone, be it, you know, a laptop or whatever, you can just kind of look at two different systems and see literally like, okay, does this ruin sight lines from this seat?

You can see it 'cause it's in this, you know, 3D viewer, but also you can look at the mappings, which is cool. Um, so that's cool. It's, it's quite a, quite a different thing for, uh, an audio company to do that. A cloud viewer, you know.

[00:53:51] Sean Walker: I can use that to sell like a mug, bro. This is

[00:53:55] Andy Leviss: that would be useful. Like,

[00:53:56] Sean Walker: this is why it's so expensive, because the speakers you wanted to put on sticks doesn't cover spit. This is why we have to fly 24 boxes of car. Or in my case, HDL 26. But yeah, I get your

[00:54:09] Ryan John: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:10] Sean Walker: I mean, until you,

[00:54:12] Ryan John: Car open product. You're, you're only allowed to say acoustics products when you're on with Mayman.

[00:54:15] Sean Walker: I'm sorry. I meant Cara

[00:54:18] Ryan John: You were about to say, so.

[00:54:19] Andy Leviss: Oh no, I was saying like that, that tool would've been super useful. Like the, like last year when I was se that up front, which, you know, like as I was saying, like you get involved a lot earlier and like one of the things there when you have a musical artist on a thing like that is I'm having to design a system and send like plots of like what SPL and balance and all that is to all different parties.

'cause the A one who's mixing is like, the corporate guy wants to know that he's got what he needs for it, but that the band is sending a rider and they're, you know, doing their usual rider bullshit of like, we need this, you know, this SPL at

[00:54:47] Sean Walker: won't show up without 900 boxes of Vdo s and you're like, bro, this rider's 25 years old,

[00:54:52] Andy Leviss: dude, I, so we had, we had a video wall,

[00:54:55] Sean Walker: and eight gates, and won't do anything less than a BS. S.

[00:54:58] Andy Leviss: well, and, but it's also a corporate event.

So we had a video wall with, uh, and scenic elements that were so fucking wide. That I was 40 feet off center with my side fills to either side of the stage. Not 40 feet apart, 40 feet off center to either, so like I was, I've, I've never used like that much array correction on a side fill before

[00:55:21] Ryan John: Yeah, I can, I can imagine it was, I mean, I, I, I can't wait to like until the point where I'm saying, okay, yeah, you know, here's the show I'm doing, someone's, you know, please, please send me the Sound Vision file. 'cause that's what I usually ask for. I ask for the file itself. I can't wait for someone else to just send me a link and I'd be like, yes, I can just open this in a web.

Hell yeah. It's like, it's that full circle moment. Like I remember the first time I went to a show and someone was using an S six L console at front of house and I had no idea because early on when you launch a product, you tend to know all the people using it. Right? 'cause you're tracking. Sure, totally.

You just wanna make sure things are going well and all that. Totally. And I remember that first time I went to a show, I was like, oh shit, that's my desk. This is cool. 'cause I went up to the dude, asked him a bunch of questions and he was telling me all about it. And I was like, oh, this is cool. It's cool to have someone else explain it to me.

Yeah, dude.

[00:56:07] Sean Walker: that, that's, that's gotta feel great, dude.

[00:56:10] Andy Leviss: Well, it's a great test for like how you're communicating is for the product. Now the product's working, if somebody else can explain it back to

[00:56:16] Ryan John: Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's, it's funny, you know, there's this chunk of time where I, I was slash kind of still am known as the avid guy, right? But when I'd go somewhere, I wouldn't say anything and I'd just ask a lot of questions. And then eventually when someone would say something, then I was like, Hmm, that's not really true.

I'd then go, okay, you know, I've, I've worked for that company for a long time. Let me, let me tell you a bit about how that was designed and why it works this way, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the moment you tell them that, they'll never say anything bad anymore after that. They're just trying to be nice and not say bad things about your product.

So it's, it's good to not tell them at first, so that at least you get all the bad shit out of the way. They tell you all the things. Yeah. Right.

[00:56:51] Sean Walker: Yeah. Right.

[00:56:54] Ryan John: Yeah. It's kind of fun. But yeah. So, uh, and then the last crazy thing at, at, um, at the El acoustics keynote was, uh, El acoustics dj. Which is live source separation. Um, so effectively a DJ doesn't need to learn a new workflow. They still just mix their stereo stuff in stereo, but live, uh, an ELISA processor can split it up into drums, bass, guitar, vocal, et cetera, whatever, at which point you can do object mixes from a stereo track.

[00:57:30] Sean Walker: Dude, that's sick.

[00:57:33] Ryan John: Yeah. My, my favorite part about putting together the keynote was being like, wait, how do you prove to people that this is real? Fuck, let's use a vinyl,

[00:57:42] Sean Walker: my God. Awesome.

[00:57:43] Ryan John: really drop the needle on it. Hit go and it's a record going and being like, cool, this is real source separation. It's, it's ridiculous. I can't believe we got away with, with doing that.

[00:57:54] Sean Walker: Oh my God, that's awesome.

[00:57:55] Andy Leviss: awesome.

[00:57:56] Ryan John: 'cause you know, if it's anything digital sure. Like you could fake that stuff. I just thought it would be a lot more fun to do it with, with an actual record. It would be silly.

[00:58:03] Sean Walker: Dude, that's so fun. How awesome.

[00:58:06] Ryan John: But yeah, my, my, and the, the best part is just post keynote. Anyone who is actually there as a guest, they all get to go play with these things right after. So like, dudes literally went up on stage and started kind of DJing by themselves, and they're like flying objects around the,

[00:58:20] Sean Walker: Yeah, dude.

[00:58:21] Ryan John: It was, it was cool.

Like people who've never DJ'ed in their life were just like, uh, can I play some, I don't know, Marin Morris. And they pick a random track, they hit play and then they just kind of start just playing with it. It was fun, man.

[00:58:32] Sean Walker: Dude, that's awesome man. I remember seeing that Elisa demo at NAM that you did. That was pretty cool. It was cool to like to experience it, right? When you talk about like, oh, we're gonna do this immersive thing, you're like, yeah, okay, cool man. I've had surround Sam my whole life. I, you know, that I've been that day.

That's cool. This is different. And it's fucking cool to see it like unmask and stuff, you know what I mean? And be able to like pull it apart and the stuff you guys are doing with. That is really fricking cool. So I'm excited to go play with the DJ and rip some tracks apart and go like, oh man, I can put these together and I can rechange it and you know what I mean?

I, I don't DJ at all. I'm one of those like, don't DJ at all. But it'll be fun to play with and see how it works, man. See what, see what you guys have been up to.

[00:59:09] Ryan John: You know, I, I, I think the funny misnomer that exists in the world around quote unquote immersive audio is that it requires immersion. It requires, you know, sides and rears and heights and all that, but like so much of the benefit is not actually from surrounding someone with sound. I.

[00:59:26] Sean Walker: it's not atmos.

[00:59:27] Ryan John: Yeah, it, it's not about that, it's actually about creating separation, right?

I mean, you know when we did that demo?

[00:59:32] Andy Leviss: This is what we were talking about with Nat Ho the other, like a month or so ago.

[00:59:36] Ryan John: Yeah, yeah. But you know, like when we did that demo at NAM and you take a stereo system and you take, uh, I don't know, let's say a guitar or something and you pan it to the left and then pan it to the right. If you're in the middle of the room, sure. You hear some panning. If you're anywhere else, you just hear it get louder when it's on the, the system that's closer to you and then you hear it get quieter.

There's no actual sensation of panning for anyone that's not in the center. But when you do like an ELISA system that has a frontal system that is, let's say five arrays, six arrays, seven, whatever it is, as you pan that object, you actually hear it go from left to right, like it's a completely different sensation to panning.

But we're so used to stuff like headphones and all this other stuff that we're just so mentally used to stereo. Now when people say the word immersive audio, they're assuming something that is not what I just described. They're assuming surrounds and heights and all this other stuff, and they just go, well, that's not relevant to me because it's not relevant to me either.

[01:00:32] Sean Walker: But if you only need a few arrays in the front, it's not that challenging in an arena to just tell video to go fuck themselves and hang a bunch of fucking speakers in their way. Dude,

[01:00:43] Ryan John: Well, no, no, no, no, no, I'm, I'm,

[01:00:45] Sean Walker: I'm just kidding. Video. I was just kidding.

[01:00:47] Ryan John: you know what video you are enabled, because the arrays don't have to be 25 feet long,

[01:00:53] Sean Walker: Oh, alright. All right.

[01:00:54] Ryan John: you're spreading the energy across multiple arrays. You don't need two arrays that are, I don't know, 20 boxes deep. Instead, you need multiple arrays that are like eight boxes deep.

Oh, right. So you can fly that all above video. Okay. Like when Adele did the residency in Vegas, all of the Elisa arrays were above video, actually behind a scrim that had video on it.

[01:01:16] Sean Walker: Oh, snap.

[01:01:16] Ryan John: couldn't even see the pa, but it was like full Elisa. Like it was, it was crazy. But yeah, you, you can get away with shorter rays and you can, you know, fly 'em a little higher.

It's, it's one of those things you kind of have to hear it to fully understand it. 'cause like when you just describe it, you're like, well that's just sounds more expensive and sounds harder and sounds this and sounds bad, you know?

[01:01:35] Sean Walker: It was pretty sweet dude. It was pretty sweet, for sure.

[01:01:39] Ryan John: Yeah. I've got a, I got a show coming up in November, um, that I'm going to try and see if we can do in Elisa. Yeah. It's a festival. It's called Future Ruins. I dunno if you've heard of this. Is it,

[01:01:55] Sean Walker: Where is it?

[01:01:56] Ryan John: it's Trent Resner, Atticus Ross, or putting on a festival in LA Oh yeah. That is basically all film and TV show composers including Danny Elman.

Yes. Um, I think it's gonna be three stages. It might be two, but it's multiple stages of just epic composers. One after another, after another, after another.

[01:02:14] Sean Walker: Oh my God. How cool. I'm coming. I'm hanging out. I'm staying at your place.

[01:02:17] Ryan John: Down I, I, I think that's November 8th. Um, alright. So it's, we have plenty of time. Plenty of time. But I'm gonna see if we can get an Elisa set up because that Danny Elman show is so dense, there's so much stuff.

What is it? 178 inputs of music, not including talks or anything like that. And I basically need to make a dual mono mix of it, right? 'cause I can't really paint anything. 'cause half the crowd doesn't hear it if I do.

[01:02:42] Sean Walker: Right.

[01:02:42] Ryan John: So I am stoked to be able to take that and spread that out across more arrays where I can get clarity and I don't have to hack things up and I don't have to make the guitars tiny so that they fit in between all the other stuff, you know?

[01:02:55] Sean Walker: Sure. How do you, um, how do you approach that with the festival and other people that aren't gonna do that? Do you just say, Hey, hang your normal left, right Pa like you would and then give me these extra things that I would like for my show, but everybody else can drive just left right sub fill like they're used to or you, everybody is on that.

Elisa stoked to try it. Vibe.

[01:03:16] Ryan John: You know, I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I've, I've brought it up. I don't know how this is gonna go. I mean, this is, this is, this is a trial by fire. Right. You know, we'll see how this goes. I like it. But that said, you know, if the entire lineup is things like composers and stuff

[01:03:30] Sean Walker: They're probably all into it,

[01:03:31] Ryan John: with like crazy, crazy kind of input counts.

This is not just a rock band. It actually makes a good amount of sense to just say, let's go for it.

[01:03:38] Sean Walker: Dude. And since it's in LA, you can probably just have all those mixers to the L acoustic shop to fuss with it and make mixes

[01:03:46] Ryan John: build and stuff. Yeah. Or they can come to my house. Hey,

[01:03:48] Sean Walker: I was just gonna say, don't you have a whole rig there?

[01:03:51] Ryan John: I do. I do. Yeah. Um.

[01:03:54] Sean Walker: For those of you that don't know, even though Ryans that he was the avid guy, he still has an avid desk at his house.

[01:04:00] Ryan John: Two.

[01:04:02] Sean Walker: Two avid desk at his house.

[01:04:03] Ryan John: So if anyone ever needs to do pre-production and build a file, you are welcome to come by the house.

[01:04:07] Sean Walker: There you go.

[01:04:08] Ryan John: Just don't change the settings on any of the analog gear.

[01:04:13] Andy Leviss: look man. I only changed one knob. Uh, I'm just not gonna tell you which one.

[01:04:19] Sean Walker: Yeah, you can touch the console all you want, but hands off the app board and don't touch my espresso maker.

[01:04:23] Ryan John: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[01:04:27] Sean Walker: Awesome dude. That'll be fun. I'm gonna come see that show.

[01:04:29] Ryan John: do invite people into this room all the time. Anytime someone needs to build a file and they happen to be in the LA area, like, yeah, come on by. I also have an acoustic system in here, so it translates pretty fucking well,

[01:04:40] Sean Walker: Hell yeah.

[01:04:41] Andy Leviss: Nice

[01:04:42] Sean Walker: Yeah. That's awesome. Well, now I gotta come check that out. That's

[01:04:44] Ryan John: November 8th. Come on out, man. Uh, I'm sure we'll do a bunch of pre-production and rehearsals and all sorts of stuff before then, so you know, if you wanna come out for that too. Yeah, dude, it would be fun. I like.

[01:04:53] Sean Walker: I like coffee and bad jokes. I'm in

[01:04:55] Andy Leviss: I had to start looking at my calendar.

[01:04:56] Sean Walker: Totally. Alright, well we're, we're just over an hour and we've been just rambling and nobody's getting a lot outta it, so we're just gonna call it now. Thank you Ryan for coming to hang out. Thanks to Allen and Heath and RCF for, you know, letting us yap about audio shit.

That's the pod y'all. See you next week.

Music: “Break Free” by Mike Green